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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-29392</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This conversation has been enlightening.  I recently became a provider on O’Desk.  I am not a programmer. I have accounting and administrative experience and initially thought  this was a fabulous way to get work online.  I was shocked at the hourly rates that buyers are offering and providers are taking.  Regarding my field …How can you expect quality results for $1.00 hr?  

Competition is fierce.  Apparently the perfect jobs for me are perfect for everyone or at least 50+ other candidates.  Catch 22 is trying to get hired for an ODesk job with no ODesk experience.  Most buyers want some clocked hours and feedback ratings.  
I am concerned that buyers who had bad experiences with so called ODesk veterans they will be less likely to try someone new.  Plus, I refuse to work for less than $15 per hour because I am worth way more than that. Even if I am working in my pajamas:) ?  I have applied to 4 jobs and got 1 interview lined up with a buyer who wants someone local to do some phone/customer service work.  He was initially offering a lower rate that I have posted for my salary range.  We shall see what happens. I am almost willing  to do charity jobs just to get a rating. Not there yet!
I thought scoring high on the skills tests may help me land more jobs but I have not heard any of the buyers mention the significance.

Is it possible to test a programmer during the interview process to see if they have the qualifications? 

I hope ODesk refines its process to make more buyers happy so I can get working!  Buyers who want to hire me for a long term assignment, are welcome to check my references.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This conversation has been enlightening.  I recently became a provider on O’Desk.  I am not a programmer. I have accounting and administrative experience and initially thought  this was a fabulous way to get work online.  I was shocked at the hourly rates that buyers are offering and providers are taking.  Regarding my field …How can you expect quality results for $1.00 hr?  </p>
<p>Competition is fierce.  Apparently the perfect jobs for me are perfect for everyone or at least 50+ other candidates.  Catch 22 is trying to get hired for an ODesk job with no ODesk experience.  Most buyers want some clocked hours and feedback ratings.<br />
<br />I am concerned that buyers who had bad experiences with so called ODesk veterans they will be less likely to try someone new.  Plus, I refuse to work for less than $15 per hour because I am worth way more than that. Even if I am working in my pajamas:) ?  I have applied to 4 jobs and got 1 interview lined up with a buyer who wants someone local to do some phone/customer service work.  He was initially offering a lower rate that I have posted for my salary range.  We shall see what happens. I am almost willing  to do charity jobs just to get a rating. Not there yet!<br />
<br />I thought scoring high on the skills tests may help me land more jobs but I have not heard any of the buyers mention the significance.</p>
<p>Is it possible to test a programmer during the interview process to see if they have the qualifications? </p>
<p>I hope ODesk refines its process to make more buyers happy so I can get working!  Buyers who want to hire me for a long term assignment, are welcome to check my references.</p>
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		<title>By: Jam</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-28197</link>
		<dc:creator>Jam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to second what Nicole said, as a Flash programmer I have a portfolio of decent work, but if someone just copies the best Flash projects they find on the web then they instantly look way better than me.

A lot of the oDesk projects ask an incredible amount for a pittance and then get surprised when the work is shoddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to second what Nicole said, as a Flash programmer I have a portfolio of decent work, but if someone just copies the best Flash projects they find on the web then they instantly look way better than me.</p>
<p>A lot of the oDesk projects ask an incredible amount for a pittance and then get surprised when the work is shoddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-27550</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had it with ODesk. I am a seasoned, qualified designer and there are so many low-bidding designers on there it&#039;s insulting. Also the buyers want so much for so little, it&#039;s really gross. I saw an ad for a logo, website, and marketing materials for $150. I can&#039;t even express my disgust at that. Overall, ODesk is very disappointing and further damaging the field of design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had it with ODesk. I am a seasoned, qualified designer and there are so many low-bidding designers on there it&#8217;s insulting. Also the buyers want so much for so little, it&#8217;s really gross. I saw an ad for a logo, website, and marketing materials for $150. I can&#8217;t even express my disgust at that. Overall, ODesk is very disappointing and further damaging the field of design.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddy</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-27434</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Deb,

I kind of have mixed feelings about the stop showing provider &quot;earnings&quot; in public profiles. It is important to note that charging x on a long term relation i.e. 6+ months and charging 2x on a specific consulting assignment is really different.

So both the hourly rate + the hours + feedback per job are an important piece of information to show. Which pretty much gives total earning :(.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Deb,</p>
<p>I kind of have mixed feelings about the stop showing provider &#8220;earnings&#8221; in public profiles. It is important to note that charging x on a long term relation i.e. 6+ months and charging 2x on a specific consulting assignment is really different.</p>
<p>So both the hourly rate + the hours + feedback per job are an important piece of information to show. Which pretty much gives total earning <img src='http://www.johncow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Freddy</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-27430</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read all of the comments, and have to say that I really understand why everyone published most of the comments.

My 2 cents include some info about me:
- I am one of the third world providers on odesk
- I charge about 3 times many low cost providers, and 1.5/2 times the average
- The difference on service I have given when combining productivity/results/quality/reliability is clearly bigger than the different in hourly rates
And some personal tips for you (both buyer/provider):
- Project risk must be mitigated to keep all of us happy (both providers and buyers). An important aspect of this is embracing the weekly nature of odesk --- we must show progress every week we load hours on!.  Also applies to the client, review what is being delivered each week so we can all rest assured that the product Is taking the shape that you need.
- Limit the scope of your project as most as possible keeping the focus on the main features (if you can&#039;t do this only expect high level providers to help you on this), other features can be added later --- use this more manageable scope to really understand the budget and whether it makes sense to proceed with the project at all.
- Get a plan that makes sense on what is to be delivered on the first couple of weeks, and keep a close eye on it.
- Have someone reliable make a code review early (usually on the first 2 week deliverables), don&#039;t proceed with a poorly written system ... odds are that someone will have to rebuild plenty of it to close all the security holes and to be able to add new features (without having to spend the same time doing each change on 40 places)
- Understand what you have with your current code base. A really bad code base means it is best to write it new (given you can commit the time of someone that knows the processes very well) or do a gradual rewrite (with the overall effort usually taking about 2-4 times of making it new ... makes sense if you are covering only small pieces of it).
- When we are on different projects, personal time is specially hard to manage, as not only any project can complicate but one does have personal stuff to do as well that can complicate (usually does in the country I am from :(). This doesn&#039;t denies the need to be clear on time available and to communicate any special situation affecting it i.e. we had to drop someone of the team because was being too unreliable, granted 2/3 of the times the person got sick But it wasn&#039;t a something that prevented him from telling right away so we could handle the situation with the client (instead of saying after 2 weeks each of the times - forcing the rest of us to do a lot of extra efforts to keep the results going for the clients). 

So, lets all remember that complexity is one of the biggest cause of failure in software projects (outsourced or not). Always avoid extra complexity and structure project in such a way we can validate results early.

Big success and best luck to everyone :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read all of the comments, and have to say that I really understand why everyone published most of the comments.</p>
<p>My 2 cents include some info about me:<br />
<br />- I am one of the third world providers on odesk<br />
<br />- I charge about 3 times many low cost providers, and 1.5/2 times the average<br />
<br />- The difference on service I have given when combining productivity/results/quality/reliability is clearly bigger than the different in hourly rates<br />
<br />And some personal tips for you (both buyer/provider):<br />
<br />- Project risk must be mitigated to keep all of us happy (both providers and buyers). An important aspect of this is embracing the weekly nature of odesk &#8212; we must show progress every week we load hours on!.  Also applies to the client, review what is being delivered each week so we can all rest assured that the product Is taking the shape that you need.<br />
<br />- Limit the scope of your project as most as possible keeping the focus on the main features (if you can&#8217;t do this only expect high level providers to help you on this), other features can be added later &#8212; use this more manageable scope to really understand the budget and whether it makes sense to proceed with the project at all.<br />
<br />- Get a plan that makes sense on what is to be delivered on the first couple of weeks, and keep a close eye on it.<br />
<br />- Have someone reliable make a code review early (usually on the first 2 week deliverables), don&#8217;t proceed with a poorly written system &#8230; odds are that someone will have to rebuild plenty of it to close all the security holes and to be able to add new features (without having to spend the same time doing each change on 40 places)<br />
<br />- Understand what you have with your current code base. A really bad code base means it is best to write it new (given you can commit the time of someone that knows the processes very well) or do a gradual rewrite (with the overall effort usually taking about 2-4 times of making it new &#8230; makes sense if you are covering only small pieces of it).<br />
<br />- When we are on different projects, personal time is specially hard to manage, as not only any project can complicate but one does have personal stuff to do as well that can complicate (usually does in the country I am from <img src='http://www.johncow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> ). This doesn&#8217;t denies the need to be clear on time available and to communicate any special situation affecting it i.e. we had to drop someone of the team because was being too unreliable, granted 2/3 of the times the person got sick But it wasn&#8217;t a something that prevented him from telling right away so we could handle the situation with the client (instead of saying after 2 weeks each of the times &#8211; forcing the rest of us to do a lot of extra efforts to keep the results going for the clients). </p>
<p>So, lets all remember that complexity is one of the biggest cause of failure in software projects (outsourced or not). Always avoid extra complexity and structure project in such a way we can validate results early.</p>
<p>Big success and best luck to everyone <img src='http://www.johncow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-27427</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are pros and cons with being both a Buyer and a Provider on oDesk.  I&#039;ve been a Provider for just over a year and it is my primary source of income.  It&#039;s true, I&#039;m sure, that some Providers mislead Buyers by saying they are qualified for certain projects that they have no clue about.  It is also true that there are some idiot Buyers out there that want something for nothing.  I hold a BA in English and a diploma degree in Graphic Design and I don&#039;t work for 2 bucks an hour.  However (as my feedback proves) I deliver what I say I will - when I say I will deliver it.  If it costs you a little more than someone who is charging 2 bucks an hour - you get what you pay for....always.

But I&#039;ve been invited to interview half a dozen times by Buyers - then never heard from them again.  What&#039;s up with that??  If you&#039;re too busy to screen and interview for a position - don&#039;t post it until you are ready.

 I&#039;ve also been hired by a Buyer who, unbeknownst to me, hired about 30 people that same day, (telling us all we needed to start immediately) posting ads - we all worked the day and then the job was &quot;canceled&quot; that same evening - no notice, no reason, no warning - and NO feedback.  (doesn&#039;t look good on the old profile)  

 I once accepted a &quot;fixed rate&quot; job - worked 90 hours! for this &quot;Buyer&quot; and never got a cent from him.  Needless to say, I no longer bid on Fixed Rate jobs, because as we know, oDesk doesn&#039;t guarantee payment for same.  

My point is that, there are pros and cons with outsourcing online for Buyers AND Providers alike. As with anything, improvements can be make on both sides.  oDesk is usually very good about listening to our gripes and concerns and meeting us somewhere in the middle...both Provider and Buyer.  

I&#039;ve been trying to get them to stop showing Provider &quot;earnings&quot; in public profiles.  It is acceptable to show a Buyer the hourly rate I charge for work I&#039;ve done, but not my total income.  That is personal information, in my opinion.  They are trying to work out a solution, as it seems many Providers feel the same.

D. MacKenzie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are pros and cons with being both a Buyer and a Provider on oDesk.  I&#8217;ve been a Provider for just over a year and it is my primary source of income.  It&#8217;s true, I&#8217;m sure, that some Providers mislead Buyers by saying they are qualified for certain projects that they have no clue about.  It is also true that there are some idiot Buyers out there that want something for nothing.  I hold a BA in English and a diploma degree in Graphic Design and I don&#8217;t work for 2 bucks an hour.  However (as my feedback proves) I deliver what I say I will &#8211; when I say I will deliver it.  If it costs you a little more than someone who is charging 2 bucks an hour &#8211; you get what you pay for&#8230;.always.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve been invited to interview half a dozen times by Buyers &#8211; then never heard from them again.  What&#8217;s up with that??  If you&#8217;re too busy to screen and interview for a position &#8211; don&#8217;t post it until you are ready.</p>
<p> I&#8217;ve also been hired by a Buyer who, unbeknownst to me, hired about 30 people that same day, (telling us all we needed to start immediately) posting ads &#8211; we all worked the day and then the job was &#8220;canceled&#8221; that same evening &#8211; no notice, no reason, no warning &#8211; and NO feedback.  (doesn&#8217;t look good on the old profile)  </p>
<p> I once accepted a &#8220;fixed rate&#8221; job &#8211; worked 90 hours! for this &#8220;Buyer&#8221; and never got a cent from him.  Needless to say, I no longer bid on Fixed Rate jobs, because as we know, oDesk doesn&#8217;t guarantee payment for same.  </p>
<p>My point is that, there are pros and cons with outsourcing online for Buyers AND Providers alike. As with anything, improvements can be make on both sides.  oDesk is usually very good about listening to our gripes and concerns and meeting us somewhere in the middle&#8230;both Provider and Buyer.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to get them to stop showing Provider &#8220;earnings&#8221; in public profiles.  It is acceptable to show a Buyer the hourly rate I charge for work I&#8217;ve done, but not my total income.  That is personal information, in my opinion.  They are trying to work out a solution, as it seems many Providers feel the same.</p>
<p>D. MacKenzie</p>
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		<title>By: the bee</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-27403</link>
		<dc:creator>the bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:twisted: really frustrated with Odesk.  Two people have flaked, one said she shouldn&#039;t have any problem working on my stuff on her employer&#039;s time!  I am willing to pay a decent wage.  I&#039;ve done this online work myself and while it is time consuming it is also very easy, and I think a lot of people way overcharge.  Yech to ODesk, I&#039;m going to find someone on craigslist who is local and maybe has a half a brain instead of just 1/4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.johncow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif' alt=':twisted:' class='wp-smiley' />  really frustrated with Odesk.  Two people have flaked, one said she shouldn&#8217;t have any problem working on my stuff on her employer&#8217;s time!  I am willing to pay a decent wage.  I&#8217;ve done this online work myself and while it is time consuming it is also very easy, and I think a lot of people way overcharge.  Yech to ODesk, I&#8217;m going to find someone on craigslist who is local and maybe has a half a brain instead of just 1/4.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26728</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the article.  I have been thinking about hiring out some of my work as well. I also appreciate the feedback from the other commenters as well.  Keep it coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article.  I have been thinking about hiring out some of my work as well. I also appreciate the feedback from the other commenters as well.  Keep it coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Spinner</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26459</link>
		<dc:creator>Spinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t yet used a online coder but was planning to do soon so this article is very useful for when I do. 
I have used article writers and after setting a simple task, I managed to get a decent Indian writer. But I still had to correct for dialect. Indians speak much better English than most so the articles can look a little stilted and not very natural.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t yet used a online coder but was planning to do soon so this article is very useful for when I do.<br />
<br />I have used article writers and after setting a simple task, I managed to get a decent Indian writer. But I still had to correct for dialect. Indians speak much better English than most so the articles can look a little stilted and not very natural.</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Marketing Assistant &#124; Virtual Buzz Assistant</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26451</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet Marketing Assistant &#124; Virtual Buzz Assistant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Internet Marketing Assistants are in hot demand.  The problem is, everyone thinks of themselves as an Internet Marketing Assistant even though they are not offering anything that is special or highly skilled.  Read this post about hiring internet marketing assistants from oDesk. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Internet Marketing Assistants are in hot demand.  The problem is, everyone thinks of themselves as an Internet Marketing Assistant even though they are not offering anything that is special or highly skilled.  Read this post about hiring internet marketing assistants from oDesk. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Watts</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26418</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to let you know that some of your feedback has been addressed with the release of our more detailed candidates queue.

https://url.odesk.com/53vv1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to let you know that some of your feedback has been addressed with the release of our more detailed candidates queue.</p>
<p><a href="https://url.odesk.com/53vv1" rel="nofollow">https://url.odesk.com/53vv1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26388</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell that trust is the biggest issue with hiring.  I think as a developer I may have figured it out.  I can create an web app and have it up and running the next day..  And then the users can test immediately and make customization  requests right in place.   I&#039;m in St. Louis and I work from  www.overnightapps.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell that trust is the biggest issue with hiring.  I think as a developer I may have figured it out.  I can create an web app and have it up and running the next day..  And then the users can test immediately and make customization  requests right in place.   I&#8217;m in St. Louis and I work from  <a href="http://www.overnightapps.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.overnightapps.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: TeRaBai</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26376</link>
		<dc:creator>TeRaBai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess some people are desperate and they lied in their resume. rating system are a best way to know which freelancer are good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess some people are desperate and they lied in their resume. rating system are a best way to know which freelancer are good</p>
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		<title>By: bloggista</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26370</link>
		<dc:creator>bloggista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a common problem to freelance people. I have been a freelance myself, and now I have started a company to manage these skilled freelance guys. I believe someone should be managing these skilled people and companies or buyers should deal with these managers than dealing directly with the freelancers. This is exactly what my company is doing - taking out the pains most buyers experience when dealing with late deliveries, over commitments, below par completions. COntact me if you need to outsource some services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a common problem to freelance people. I have been a freelance myself, and now I have started a company to manage these skilled freelance guys. I believe someone should be managing these skilled people and companies or buyers should deal with these managers than dealing directly with the freelancers. This is exactly what my company is doing &#8211; taking out the pains most buyers experience when dealing with late deliveries, over commitments, below par completions. COntact me if you need to outsource some services.
<div style='width:95%;margin-top: 10px;'>bloggista's lastest..<a href="http://bloggista.com/2008/10/21/the-bloggista-definition-contest-entries-list/">The Bloggista Definition Contest Entries List </a></div>
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		<title>By: Evil Woobie</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26356</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Woobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all third world providers are lousy, but yes, the standard of living is low so competition is fierce. 

What employers should know, though, is that most excellent providers stay on these sites only for a while and then they work for their regulars off the job site. It&#039;s a matter of trust (and keeping someone who shows consistently good results).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all third world providers are lousy, but yes, the standard of living is low so competition is fierce. </p>
<p>What employers should know, though, is that most excellent providers stay on these sites only for a while and then they work for their regulars off the job site. It&#8217;s a matter of trust (and keeping someone who shows consistently good results).</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26355</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ian,

We are heavily into writing commercial grade Wordpress plugins at &lt;a href=&quot;http://foliovision.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Foliovision&lt;/a&gt;.

We don&#039;t disappoint and we have very fast turnaround times.

Here&#039;s what our last Wordpress custom plugin customer Dan Wright was kind enough to say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Very Quick to respond to emails, understood the concept of my idea, and suggested improvements to my idea, that would result in less end-user confusion. Finished the project before the deadline that they had set.  Very neat and commented code, made it easy to see where they had made changes.
 
I now have a custom word-press plugin which i am very happy with, will be using them again in the future for and additional work i require.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We&#039;d love to help you as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ian,</p>
<p>We are heavily into writing commercial grade Wordpress plugins at <a href="http://foliovision.com" rel="nofollow">Foliovision</a>.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t disappoint and we have very fast turnaround times.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what our last Wordpress custom plugin customer Dan Wright was kind enough to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>Very Quick to respond to emails, understood the concept of my idea, and suggested improvements to my idea, that would result in less end-user confusion. Finished the project before the deadline that they had set.  Very neat and commented code, made it easy to see where they had made changes.</p>
<p>I now have a custom word-press plugin which i am very happy with, will be using them again in the future for and additional work i require.</p></blockquote>
<p>We&#8217;d love to help you as well.
<div style='width:95%;margin-top: 10px;'>Alec's lastest..<a href="http://foliovision.com/2008/10/14/back-up-manifesto/">The Backup Manifesto </a></div>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26351</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After seeing you were looking for help using oDesk, I checked it out. I have been doing some freelance work at Rentacoder but see that it is
hard competing against the 3rd world countries that charge so little for their work. I know what my time is worth therefore I no longer take projects that are not willing to pay me for what I am worth.

Jason, I would like to know where you need help. Maybe I can help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After seeing you were looking for help using oDesk, I checked it out. I have been doing some freelance work at Rentacoder but see that it is<br />
<br />hard competing against the 3rd world countries that charge so little for their work. I know what my time is worth therefore I no longer take projects that are not willing to pay me for what I am worth.</p>
<p>Jason, I would like to know where you need help. Maybe I can help?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicki D. Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26350</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicki D. Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elance has a job-tracking feature, too.

Wherever you go, it is up to the buyer to check profiles. Elance does confirm credentials and also has tests providers can take--though they are online and (in the writing area) not especially helpful. Programming tests seem to be different.

Look for individual providers or businesses with good feedback and a long-ish history. Visit their Profile to see what others have had to say about them. Look at their percentage of repeat earnings and repeat customers.

Use the Escrow feature. It assures the provider you won&#039;t run off without paying, and you don&#039;t release funds until milestones are met to your satisfaction.

The match-up sites provide a great service, but it is still up to you, the buyer, to do your due dilligence.

Nicki
Writing Partner at HarperCo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elance has a job-tracking feature, too.</p>
<p>Wherever you go, it is up to the buyer to check profiles. Elance does confirm credentials and also has tests providers can take&#8211;though they are online and (in the writing area) not especially helpful. Programming tests seem to be different.</p>
<p>Look for individual providers or businesses with good feedback and a long-ish history. Visit their Profile to see what others have had to say about them. Look at their percentage of repeat earnings and repeat customers.</p>
<p>Use the Escrow feature. It assures the provider you won&#8217;t run off without paying, and you don&#8217;t release funds until milestones are met to your satisfaction.</p>
<p>The match-up sites provide a great service, but it is still up to you, the buyer, to do your due dilligence.</p>
<p>Nicki<br />
<br />Writing Partner at HarperCo</p>
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		<title>By: Bcarter</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26347</link>
		<dc:creator>Bcarter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been looking at Odesk as a way to freelance and make a little extra cash. I have an accounting degree and background which I thought I could take advantage of. However, there are many people just way too underpriced, both on the hiring end and freelancer&#039;s end. I looked at one job where they wanted to pay someone $6/hr for some more advanced accounting work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been looking at Odesk as a way to freelance and make a little extra cash. I have an accounting degree and background which I thought I could take advantage of. However, there are many people just way too underpriced, both on the hiring end and freelancer&#8217;s end. I looked at one job where they wanted to pay someone $6/hr for some more advanced accounting work.
<div style='width:95%;margin-top: 10px;'>Bcarter's lastest..<a href="http://downonourluck.com/an-appology-to-romelo-at-i-tongcom/">An appology to Romelo at I-Tong.com </a></div>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.johncow.com/using-odesk-for-outsourcing-continued/#comment-26344</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you stated above are my fears of getting into outsourcing my work.  I would love to be able to outsource, but when working on a budget you cannot afford to have people not doing what you are paying them for. Especially being basically a one man team, it would be great to outsource a decent portion of link building but the fear of getting so so results for good money have held me back. 

Thanks keep us updated on how this ends up working for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you stated above are my fears of getting into outsourcing my work.  I would love to be able to outsource, but when working on a budget you cannot afford to have people not doing what you are paying them for. Especially being basically a one man team, it would be great to outsource a decent portion of link building but the fear of getting so so results for good money have held me back. </p>
<p>Thanks keep us updated on how this ends up working for you.</p>
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