Liar Liar, Pants on Fire

Written by John Cow on February 25th, 2008

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We just couldn’t help ourselves, after seeing how Mr NETGURU2525 (aka NETGURU on Digital point) is trying to lie his way out of the scam he pulled, by selling us a useless PR9 link, we just had to post this follow-up. The damage control isn’t working, in fact, we think he’s just getting himself deeper and deeper into the cow shit.

One of the threads on DP is about how people got scammed by him, and because he’s got a slightly different handle on there, he thinks he can lie his way out of this one. Unfortunately for him, we found more evidence, showing this liar for what he really is.

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Have a look at the following screenshot, in particular the links in the thief’s signature. When we paid for the crap link via paypal, we paid to a certain admin@double-down.co.uk. So surfing to http://www.double-down.co.uk, we found this site:

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Three of the links in the liar’s signature are exactly the same as on the double-down.co.uk website. Tsk Tsk, guess he thought everyone was as stupid as him and that nobody would see the connection.

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And what an astonishing coincidence that Google knows you live in Edinburgh, UK. Same location as what the DP forum screen shots say about yourself!

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Then someone finds a link on eBay, where Mr NETGURU happily continues to scam people out of their money - after all, he’s been outed on the Digital Point and Sitepoint forums, it was time for him to find new sources of trusting people to scam. Even though he “promised” to sell just a handfull of links on the forums, to prevent the PR9 forum from getting spammed and thus rendering it’s value wortless, he’s now put 20 for sale on eBay. And it looks like he’s already stole money from 4 new people.

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Yes NETGURU, you do make us sick. And dear readers, feel free to stumble, Digg, Reddit, whatever this post, so we can warn more people about this scammer’s work.

*Update* Here’s the ultimate confession, he’s admitting to knowing that the link he sold was crap. Even trying to pretend to be helpful by warning others that the link was a fake!

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40 Comments »

Comment by Angel
2008-02-25 19:22:52

So he’s commenting about making himself sick?

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Comment by Mike Huang
2008-02-25 19:46:57

WOW! people these days…

THANKS COW FOR WARNING US!

-Mike

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Comment by Pets For Sale
2008-02-25 19:58:20

Thanks for warning us about this con man! It is people like this pulling stunts like that which make it hard for us honest people to make a real living. If you sell a link, it should be exactly as stated for the price promised.

 
Comment by Rhys Wynne
2008-02-25 20:02:23

Angel: I belive that’s called Bullemia.

Have you seen his blog, he says that the DP Mods suck (atdinner dot com).

Whilst I do agree they aren’t the best,

Guess you shouldn’t buy anything off Digital Point. That place is a joke.

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Comment by Jagannath
2008-02-25 20:06:12

sick scammers making our life hell damn :sad:

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Comment by Jim
2008-02-25 20:54:41

Amusing, but with all due respect, this is not productive blogging. I think netguru has had his fair share of humiliation. You need to back off before he turns and sues you for defamation (which you are currently on the brink of).

Just thought you might like to know the legal issues behind this, it would be wise to just forgive and forget :wink:

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Comment by MrAngry Subscribed to comments via email
2008-02-25 21:06:31

The fact the seller on ebay is the same one who tried to say on the original “Free PR 9 links” that the seller did say all the info on DP just goes to show what a real scamming conman this guy really is.

I’m sure he must have easily cashed in over $1000 or more in the past week or so, selling information that he knows to be complete crap.

Saying you shouldn’t buy anything from DP is one thing, but what this guy is doing is completely and blantantly ripping people off.

Scum like this should be banned frmo the net all together.

 
Comment by Making The Money
2008-02-25 21:33:28

He’s also trying to sell freely available information on how to watch live sports events online for a bargain “one-off” payment. If you want that sort of info then http://www.football4less.com and http://www.live-internet-football.com is all you need.

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Comment by PublicRecordsGuy
2008-02-25 22:18:57

Hey Cow, would you like me to conduct a little “Investigation” on him and post whatever public records we turn up on my blog? I’m always up for Fraud. Let me know.

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Comment by Matt Livingston
2008-02-25 22:44:15

I love how he outright threatens you in that eBay listing. This netguru guy’s ignorance is priceless entertainment.

 
Comment by Abdalla Ahmed
2008-02-25 22:54:51

The guys a cunt. Why are all the scammers from Scotland? I have had nothing but a bad experience with these scots! Must be because im from england :roll: :evil: :mrgreen:

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Comment by Adonis Subscribed to comments via email
2008-02-25 22:59:48

thanks for posting this…not really good

 
Comment by sean
2008-02-25 23:17:36

Get him back, report him some how

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Comment by -Paul
2008-02-26 00:13:23

you’ve outed him in more way than one, what the hell is hookupvillage..com/….

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Comment by Neil Duckett
2008-02-26 00:22:26

He’s getting deeper and deeper in the shit now, back to brown town for you.

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Comment by Think Like An SOB
2008-02-26 01:53:37

He is just a stone’s throw from where you are… go kick his ass.

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Comment by Karn Patel
2008-02-26 02:15:45

Has he seen this yet? I love this, this is the type of shii… stuff. It’s better then TV

 
Comment by Marketing Blog
2008-02-26 06:05:09

Some people will just never learn.

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Comment by Natalie
2008-02-26 06:42:15

You should just dispute the charges with Ebay/Paypal and get his account canceled.

BTW, I have heard that USDA Beef is much better than Australian Beef, is that true? How does it compare to Kobe Beef? :twisted:

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Comment by Eli
2008-02-26 07:18:58

What a moron. Is he stupid enough to be scammed back? Send him a PM through DP promoting some sort of PR9 link, get your money back ;)

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Comment by web design
2008-02-26 08:41:14

You paid for it?? Who would pay $50 for a PR9 anyway? but thanks for the warning ;)

 
Comment by Make Money Online Subscribed to comments via email
2008-02-26 11:19:10

Great detective work there Mr Cow. Dugg so others will not fall for this guys tactics.

 
Comment by Syed Balkhi
2008-02-26 12:27:56

funny story … something similar happened to me also i just didn’t post it on my blog i rather let it stay on dp.

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Comment by netguru2525 Subscribed to comments via email
2008-02-26 13:23:26

Right okay because ive been named and shamed, i thought it best to reply here with the basic truth of the matter. I bought this link myself through topseo on digital point and did sell the link on believing it to be a pr9 this is true. After I sold some on sitepoint (please note that I only sold on sitepoint and it was only twice or 3 times at most, I am NOT related to anyone selling on ebay at current or on apple forums and you can check that out if you will. I am not dogtrainingguides on DP, though yes I admit I am NETGURU on dp).

When someone on the sitepoint thread mentioned that it wasnt a pr9 and not as promised I did shut the thread down but I didn’t (and still don’t) see why I should have to refund people when they read the description and the description was true as far as I saw as I myself had paid for the link!!!!

I ain’t a bad person and I ain’t a scammer. I did panic yes but out of principal didn’t refund as if you see something and the description does match what ur selling then refunds don’t seem logical. I’m not a massive SEO expert and i dunno what the heck a https thingy is? I only found out a small time ago.

Because this is causing me a lot of stress and some people can easily know where I live now (would a real scammer use his real name and real address in his paypal????) I am offering anyone who bought this off me on sitepoint a refund. I repeat I am NOT a scammer.

Whoever sent the following email makes me sick:

“We’ll find you scammer and when we do we’ll burn you and your family and you can rot in hell where you belong” .Now from someone who may have purchased this link off me I may understand but not from someone who read this blog?

Also being shamed about my poker addiction, sexuality and other things I’ve received is proving too much for me and as for Abdallah’s comments about all scots being scammers, that’s a bit pathetic. No wonder the rest of the world thinks the brits are ignorant. My family’s English anyway…. and Syed I have never sold this link on DP. You may not believe me as I’ve double backed on a few things I’ve said yes but just go back on and check out who sold you it. Guaranteed to be either topseo or dogtrainingguides who I bought from and its them who are still peddling it, not me.

Regards

 
Comment by Matt
2008-02-26 19:14:32

Storm in a teacup really. You did make things worse for yourself by posting under your own name and commenting on how you thought your own link was a scam. But still, whoever sent a death threat probably needs to sit down and drink a cola or something. Just pay everyone back and stop dwelling on it. And don’t come up with anymore harebrain schemes.

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Comment by netguru2525 Subscribed to comments via email
2008-02-26 21:09:21

Yeah I know and if I’m honest I don’t think its a scam as I’ve seen some of my serps improve plus there is PR in those threads and I was selling it more on the merit of being a .edu link rather than a pr9. That said yes this blog did shoot shivers down me which I guess goes to show that good journalism does work. You think I’d know that having a degree in the damn subject :-) If I was a real scammer however I wouldn’t have even posted here but I amn’t and didn’t mean any real harm in the whole thing. If anyone wants a refund they can get it. There’s only 3-4 people i’ve sold to so its not going to break my bank. Sent a PM to John but not heard back yet. I don’t believe it’ll be long though before this link shows up again as, like i said before, I’m not peddling this anymore though there are more every day who are.

 
Comment by Ty Brown
2008-02-27 15:56:24

Good thing you have a popular forum to call out people like this

 
Comment by Kyle
2008-02-29 17:58:33

Without meaning to sound rude, Cow…are you so stupid that you keep getting spammed?

A lot of posts on this website are “This guy scammed us!” or “We didn’t get sent this prize!” expecting people to go “Wow, thanks for outing them, Cow! You sure are clever, Cow!”…but I don’t see it.

What I see are a couple of webmasters falling for the same scams over and over. Yes, it’s nice that you point out those scammers so we don’t fall for the same traps, so an honest ‘thanks’ for that, but smarten up a little, eh? So you don’t keep falling for them yourselves.

 
Comment by Kyle
2008-03-02 00:43:12

*keep getting scammed?

 
Comment by John Cow
2008-03-02 00:46:17

Kyle, please do list all those posts you are so worried about.

 
Comment by Kyle
2008-03-02 05:17:29

…I’m not worried? When did I say that?

I think you need to read through stuff a lot more, including the small print and also the track record of companies/blogs/websites that you deal with.

Didn’t you complain about not winning an iPhone or iPod Touch once? What if you had checked out the past history of that blog’s contests? Then you wouldn’t have wasted your time entering it in the first place.

And now this. If you had researched the seller even a tiny little bit more (ie - what you did AFTER you were scammed), you wouldn’t have got scammed in the first place.

Instead, you throw your time and money away, making a big mistake, and then backtrack to make you seem like you knew something was amiss the whole time, making yourself out to be a saviour and not just another poor sap who fell for a scam.

I’m not saying that posting those mistakes on the blog to warn others of the same scams isn’t a good idea, but for your own bank balance’s sake, just be more careful in the future.

It was only $50 this time, but who knows when you’ll fall for a $50,000 scam at the rate you are going? Wise up and do the research before you make the potential mistake, not after just blindly going for it.

 
Comment by TheCriticalCritic
2008-03-02 12:42:56

Link sales is a niche full of scammers. I simply avoid them nowadays after being burned once.

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